Two AFL stars who were forced to delete a social media video where they were rating women out of 10 have been lashed.
When two Collingwood AFL players made headlines for a TikTok video of the pair rating hypothetical women, people were shocked.
The thing is, Gen Z believe it’s not an attitude that shocks men.
While Collingwood stars Jack Ginnivan and Isaac Quaynor were following a current trend on the social media platform, they completely missed the point.
On Monday, a TikTok video surfaced showing Ginnivan and Quaynor lying in bed and laughing while discussing women, giving Collingwood yet another headache.
“And she’s a two, but she smells really nice,” Ginnivan says at one stage of the video.
Quaynor replies: “Three. She’s a 10, but got some … teeth, like them teeth are going every which way, diagonal, everything.”
Later, Quaynor says: “She’s a nine-and-a-half, but is homeless.”
Ginnivan responds: “Two-and-a-half.”
The trend generally features a couple of friends ranking hypothetical people they could date, using goofy personality flaws to see if it would change their ranking. Things like “he’s a 10 but he puts the toilet paper roll facing the wrong way” and “he’s a 7 but he loves reading”.
For these two men — who simply did not understand the assignment — the rankings were mainly looks-based and derogatory.
According to our Gen Z newsChat panellists — news.com.au’s project with the Judith Nielson Institute — this is an attitude deeply rooted in our society’s misogyny culture. It’s also not surprising, no matter how disappointing it might be.
It’s a common attitude in male spaces
“It doesn’t surprise me at all. In my experience, sportsmen are the prime candidates for this specific brand of misogyny.
“This behavior isn’t limited to celebrities. I’ve known people throughout a good portion of my life who engage in this kind of conversation.”
“I agreed with Angus. This is the typical locker room talk. I’ve genuinely seen this in every age of my life — school settings, university and even corporate work.
“It always has a two-faced nature to it where people act very kind, and then behind the scenes, they have these conversations.”
“My mother is a feminist. Ever since I was little, I’ve been brought up as a feminist. Me and my three brothers were all brought up the same way, so around my family, I’d never heard anything like this.
“When I became a teenager, started having more experiences — especially when I used to play sport. A lot of the topics my teammates would talk about were very misogynistic. The amount of sexism in gaming, too, especially online games, is absolutely abhorrent.”
It’s deeply embedded in our culture
Attitudes like this are still prevalent, despite a slowly changing shift in what society at large deems appropriate. Gen Z blames a culture with deep roots in sexist ideals and beliefs.
“This kind of rhetoric all funnels back to rape culture. I think it’s particularly concerning that we continue to see these attitudes in our sporting worlds.”
“I agree with Rachel on this. We need to do better in terms of a cultural shift around the way we speak about men and women on social media and in our every day language.
“It shouldn’t be a rating system on looks at all — it minimizes someone based only on their physical appearance, instead of being attractive based on their personality. It’s wrong and deeply upsetting.”
“It’s another symptom of a toxic culture that permeates male dominated sports, where violence and dehumanization of women is the norm.
“When rape and abuse against vulnerable communities happen, they don’t happen out of nowhere. They start off like this: seemingly ‘harmless’ jokes that become a culture.”
“It raises the question: why do these people feel it necessary to talk about women this way behind closed doors?
“Every once in a while these videos make it to the web, and each time we go through the same loop of holding them accountable, apologizing them, and some higher up saying it’s ‘just’ locker room talk. There isn’t a shift here until there is a larger cultural shift.”
Celebrities should set an example
While this type of attitude is sadly still common among some groups of men, Gen Z feel that having celebrity means you should be held to a higher standard. They hold out hope that appropriate ramifications could be the start of real change.
“I think there’s a level of responsibility that comes with being a public person that means there’s an immediate need to rectify these behavior patterns early.
“However, I think for these two there’s an opportunity for a proactive and responsible consequence. I don’t think that consequence should be to cancel them because sometimes I feel like that let’s coaches and people in power off the hook.
“I want to see them disciplined and genuinely remorseful. I think that’s up to the coach, and those who deal directly with these men, to instil a higher level of self respect that then translates into respect of others.”
“It’s disgusting, and ramifications should be met accordingly as they have so many young people looking up to them.”
“When high-profile athletes carry on like this — especially on the internet — they need to be prepared to face the ramifications that’s going to have. Loss of job, income and sponsorships is a pretty appropriate punishment, I’d say.
“I just don’t think you’re ever going to get genuine remorse from these people. I honestly believe that most of them don’t think their attitudes towards women are flawed.”
“Athletes in particular are often idolized in a way that is unique to sports. They have a responsibility to their fans and to their team to set an example for the next generation of players.”
“There seems to be a different standard when it comes to Athletes. People — mostly higher ups in the sporting industry and government — would describe it as locker room talk.
“I think the punishment should be enacted by sponsors and higher ups in the field. Take away their money if they feel it necessary to treat people like a rotten tomatoes movie score.”
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